John Lynch - 49ers GM

How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

The proper nuanced take is letting Lynch walk in the long term might be the most prudent move as the current structure in which they acquire players can be improved. That does involve an inherent risk however as just because someone was part of a good org doesn't mean they can take the big seat or will even mesh well with Kyle. The anyone would be better is disproven by Chris Ballard alone.

I still contend the best move is to promote one of our own guys that Kyle trusts but give them the final say on the personnel side. The fact that this team is so successful at the end of drafts tells me scouting isn't the core issue.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

Who said anything about firing him?

Why can't we criticize these guys without you all getting butt hurt?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

The proper nuanced take is letting Lynch walk in the long term might be the most prudent move as the current structure in which they acquire players can be improved. That does involve an inherent risk however as just because someone was part of a good org doesn't mean they can take the big seat or will even mesh well with Kyle. The anyone would be better is disproven by Chris Ballard alone.

I still contend the best move is to promote one of our own guys that Kyle trusts but give them the final say on the personnel side. The fact that this team is so successful at the end of drafts tells me scouting isn't the core issue.

I agree. The scouting has been fine and if it weren't for us hitting on draft picks in the back half of the draft we most likely would be the Cleveland Browns.

The issue is round 1-3 where I'm pretty sure Shanahan has the final say and he always reaches on guys he thinks are system fits.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If you wanna criticize the Buckner move you have to criticize paying Jimmy G because that was the reason he was moved. Had we not traded for Jimmy and just taken Josh Allen the next year we'd also have a title or two by now. It really is 20/20

You don't trade what they did to move up to take a WR. Especially after taking Aiyuk the year before. Hell I wanted Jefferson at the time so he'd be the move to make in 20 instead of Wirfs or Kinlaw.

Also how do you get Wirfs if you don't trade Buckner? Would've had no shot at Wirfs.

O line has generally been good. To sum a loss up to one missed block when the defense had zero chance of stopping KC even if they scored is way too harsh. Wirfs also doesn't play guard so he doesn't help with what you want to criticize.

Secondary in general has been ignored and that's my biggest beef. If anything that has been the biggest cost to this team whether it be Moseley and Sherm getting beaten at end of 54 or blowing coverages in 59 to lose game.

I still wouldn't have resigned Huf as he's not the coverage safety this team needs. DJ should've been kept. Cap is a real thing.

Good points all around. I agree with what you say.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

Who said anything about firing him?

Why can't we criticize these guys without you all getting butt hurt?

Sounds like those criticizing are the ones that are butt hurt.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

Who said anything about firing him?

Why can't we criticize these guys without you all getting butt hurt?

Sounds like those criticizing are the ones that are butt hurt.

Nope. I'm not butthurt. But I'm also not going to give these guys a free pass and slobber over every move they make.

Like I said before, we can give them credit for the good moves they have made but at the same time we can also criticize them for the poor ones because they can do better.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If you wanna criticize the Buckner move you have to criticize paying Jimmy G because that was the reason he was moved. Had we not traded for Jimmy and just taken Josh Allen the next year we'd also have a title or two by now. It really is 20/20

You don't trade what they did to move up to take a WR. Especially after taking Aiyuk the year before. Hell I wanted Jefferson at the time so he'd be the move to make in 20 instead of Wirfs or Kinlaw.

Also how do you get Wirfs if you don't trade Buckner? Would've had no shot at Wirfs.

O line has generally been good. To sum a loss up to one missed block when the defense had zero chance of stopping KC even if they scored is way too harsh. Wirfs also doesn't play guard so he doesn't help with what you want to criticize.

Secondary in general has been ignored and that's my biggest beef. If anything that has been the biggest cost to this team whether it be Moseley and Sherm getting beaten at end of 54 or blowing coverages in 59 to lose game.

I still wouldn't have resigned Huf as he's not the coverage safety this team needs. DJ should've been kept. Cap is a real thing.

Good points all around. I agree with what you say.

If we drafted Whirfs back then where would he have played RT?

We had Trent and he was (could even argue still is) in his prime.

When the draft comes around the GM and HC have to make decisions based on what they see as the biggest need or which player is available that can provide the most help. They base it on their evaluation. Not other people's. The priorities they might see now could change by draft day based on injuries and free agents leaving. Going back and looking at who they could have drafted is a waste of time since they don't get do overs.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Nope. I'm not butthurt. But I'm also not going to give these guys a free pass and slobber over every move they make.

Like I said before, we can give them credit for the good moves they have made but at the same time we can also criticize them for the poor ones because they can do better.

I honestly don't think there's anyone really glazing every move. In general, the sum of all of our moves has us consistently competing year in year out. We've had some misses, but also some big hits. Every FO has a mixed record. The people who complain show the least amount of nuance, imo. I see far more people panning the FO over every single thing that happens while never giving them their flowers. And as usual, fans rarely employ a nuanced perspective. I think the last two drafts are looking pretty good after some underwhelming drafts. To see guys like Colby, Sigle, Stout, Black, Duggar, Halton as quality starters right now (with injured guys like Mykel and Strib having looked good in limited time), to me at least, gives this FO a bit more leash. They needed to restock the cupboard, and seem to have risen to the occasion. I also thought the offseason was quietly good with a limited budget.

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

32 years since our last championship and lynch has been involved in 10 years of that drought. He also managed what is described as the worst nfl trade in the last decade for the trey lance debacle.

most people realize that Lynch doesn't make the picks, it's a collaborative effort between Kyle, John, scouting dept. the position coaches, Tariq Ahmad, Kwesi, etc.
I doubt Lynch has ever made a pick completely on his own, he's not that type of GM.

Kyle has the most power by far when it comes to choosing players in the draft, and while I think drafting players is a weakness for Kyle, he is so elite at so many other things, that you have to accept it as part of the deal.

Originally posted by jcs:
32 years since our last championship and lynch has been involved in 10 years of that drought. He also managed what is described as the worst nfl trade in the last decade for the trey lance debacle.

Then made one of the greatest draft selections in NFL history the next year. Becomes a push.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If we drafted Whirfs back then where would he have played RT?

We had Trent and he was (could even argue still is) in his prime.

Had McGlinchey for three more years too.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Cosmo:
How good was this team before Lynch and Shanny got here? People crying that they want him fired should try being Browns fans. 1989 was the last time they even won their division.

32 years since our last championship and lynch has been involved in 10 years of that drought. He also managed what is described as the worst nfl trade in the last decade for the trey lance debacle.

Trey Lance trade was bad. But no. It was not the worst trade in the last decade. The two future 1sts became #29 overall. There are far worse trades than that. Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson were both worse.

If the Dolphins had become a contender (or at least won their first playoff game since the Twin Towers were still standing), or one of those future 1sts became a premium pick (or even a top 20 pick), or we were still looking for a QB (or simply didn't end up with a franchise QB anyway), maybe you would have a point. But none of those happened.

I know how you will respond. "bUt wE dIdNt wIn SUPER BOWL!!!" Okay. That doesn't make this the worst trade of the last decade. Not even close.